This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriot's Statusy podcast. The only Patriot's podcast that is actually doing things backwards and rewatching all games instead of talking about the new stuff. Although we might do some of that, then we do. We are working our way through 2005 season. We know it doesn't end well, but we thought we'd figure out if there's anything worth watching. Spoiler week nine, not worth watching. The Patriots are visited by the undefeated Colts on the season, the 7-0. I believe this was a Monday night game. It was in prime time on ESPN with our boy, John Madden. Spoiler alert didn't go well. With me to talk about this game, though, is Tim the intern. Tim Turn. Back from his hiatus. Tim, how are you doing, bud? Doing good. All right. Also, we have my brother who formerly known as Steve Brown, but tonight, for some reason, isn't named Stevie Slickback. You guys ready to see this? I'm about to turn on my video. It's not turn on his video yet since we've joined this meeting. I don't know if I'm ready, but I don't know if I have a choice. Let's do it. Oh, dear me. Hold on. I got to blow this up a little bit. Oh, dear me. Steve, what are you doing? Stevie Slickbacks, baby. But why? This isn't Slickback. This is pushback. This is... Yeah. That forehead is manning us. It's a five head. It's a six head. I like it. That's me. Did he used to be a piece of shit? I used to be a piece of shit. I went into work like this today. Really? I'm rocking this Slickback all day. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And they're majority Korean there and they're all like, what are you doing? I don't think it's because they're Korean, Steve. No, yeah, probably. I got a black tie wedding this weekend, so I figured, you know, test out the Slick, see how it holds up over the course of a day before I bust it out in prime time. Oh, is this kind of like the way you didn't wear your dress pants for a full day and then split the seam of the butt dancing at somebody's wedding? Oh, no. That was just, you know, too much dance moves. Split them right down the path. Yeah. Luckily, I was wearing underwear because, you know, it could have been even worse. Or unluckily, depending on who you are. No, I think luckily. Yeah, I was giving you the benefit of the day. I don't know. I mean, the only lucky part is if I really had to pooper something and then I could have just, you know, skip the whole pant, taking off the pants part. I suppose technically you do it anyway, couldn't you? Look at this thing, though. It's like a, it's like a little helmet. Yeah. So it's been like that all day. Did you, yeah, did you gel it? Oh, yeah. I'd never gel my hair and I would have ton of shit. I've actually been doing it all week. I've been experimenting with new hairstyles. I see which one was the best building up to the slick backs. How old you think? 36. Yeah. All right. So right in time for your midlife crisis, apparently this is season of the season of the season. I was fucking great, Andy. I get the power alleys like nobody's business. Look at these things. They just keep going. You definitely look like a middle-aged to one alleys. Yeah, exactly. It's like, it like rolls in a ball. It goes like above my ear. It's not too far. You know, you go right up straight north from the ear, boom forehead. Yep. Five head, six head. We're on our way to our set. Like it actually looks like a seven on the side of your head. Yeah. The other part is if you go to your eyebrows with such a massive forehead and slick back hair, that's ridiculous. Yeah. You can do that big. Whoa. Yeah. That is terrifying. I'm so upset that Greg is in here. Yeah. How mad about that? Yeah. That's... He is missing Koya. He's got a fucking steak for one day. Yeah, it's going to be a real hit at the wedding. The bar is not going, though. I don't get it. I couldn't imagine why she wouldn't want to be seen in public with you. Dude, with the tux, it's going to look great. Are you bringing Gus? No. Not through a black tie wedding. That's not really a Gus scene. No? I don't know. I think you're talking about it. That seems racist, but I can't quite figure out how. She's a choco lab. She's brown. She can't go to a black tie wedding, Andy. Come on. Who she can? She put a black tie in her. No. If she was a black lab, now we're talking. Well, you probably should have got a black lab, then. No. A chocolate to the best. I don't know. Does this feel wrong somehow? All of it. We're going to need one, though. Speaking of five heads, let's talk about these Indianapolis Colts, shall we, Steve? Yeah, if only I had a big old red mark right in the middle of this thing. I bet Lauren has something that she could make a little red mark for you there. There's some blush up on there. Yeah, exactly. I could probably be Peyton Manning for Halloween. Steve, you could be Peyton Manning's fill in on whatever he shows that he does. I'm just thinking he's pretty accurate. Throw a little blush on my five head. Boom. Done. And then Greg could pretend to be Eli Manning and you two could just talk about. I need someone for Eli. Yeah. Yeah, talk about football. You can just shit on him the entire game. It'd be great. I paid a watch. That's what I mean. Yeah, I paid a watch that. You're perfect. Yeah. So 2005, Peyton Manning, peak of his manningness, if you will. He's already been beaten twice in the playoffs, won and done the past two years at the hands of the Patriots. This year he would do it again. Spoiler alert. But this time at the hands of Ben Roth, this burger. And I don't know if you boys remember this playoff game. I mean, you might get to it like later on in the season, but this was the game where Jerome Betts was trying to run it in from the one and he fumbled it. And the Colts picked it up and started returning it and like basically had an open path, but Roth's burger made a shoestring tackle like the four yard line to stop it from being an easy touchdown. And then Vander Jack missed like a 40-something yard field goal. Like for the first time all season when they were down three and lost that way as a heavy favorite to the Steelers, who they had already beaten once that season pretty handily. So just perfect. Yeah. But this Colts was like an absolute wagon in the regular season. They went 14 and two first in the AFC South and set an NFL record by winning 12 games in which they never trailed at any point in the contest in this season, which fucking just like got out to a lead and just didn't relinquish it pretty much every game. They're also the first team to start the season with 13 straight wins and then lose an opening playoff game. So that's fun. And they're also the first team to start the season with 13 straight wins and not win the Super Bowl. So if you win the first 13 games of your season, chances are you win the Super Bowl. Unless you have the Colts. Right. Or the seventh-day dream. Yeah. What do you mean? I don't remember that. Yeah, I don't remember that either. We're not going to cover that in the spot guys anyway, so we're going to finish one week before that. Yeah. This was just kind of a very typical Colts dominating the regular season and flaming out again. Do the Colts end home in this game? No, this game was in New England. The second game back for Teddy Bruski talked last episode with our Bills fan friend who apparently everybody in Buffalo hated that game because it was one. It was a game the Patriots should not have won at all and won it anyway. Like the Bills basically stomped them but couldn't score. And so I think they were like outgaining them like 10 to one or something in the first half or only winning three nothing in the Patriots like somehow found a way to one. And it was the return of Teddy Bruski on Sunday night football or something or Monday night football. And that's all the commentators talked about. Oh, yeah. So to everybody in Buffalo, it's the Teddy Bruski game. That's what they refer to it as because almost like the Bills weren't even playing. It's hysterical. Just the foil. Yeah. Exactly. But this was the kind of second prime time game in a row. Bruski back, but that's about it. This game was a score because we never say that on this podcast and clearly I didn't watch this game. I don't even know if they're playing home. The score was a very lopsided 40 to 21 in favor of Indianapolis. Yeah, it's probably like 40 to seven at one point two. It was not. And the page kind of hung in there up until like just other side of the halftime. So it was 14 seven right up to the end of the half and the Colts score nine, a touchdown of nine seconds left to make it 21 seven. Page one, three and out after the half. And then the Colts went down and scored another test and that was 28 seven. And it was never really close from there every time. Yeah. It's a score to get closer. The Colts would score again. Yeah. Lots of work done to something. A lot. I have some notes on a Sunday. I saw a whole section. Yeah. So let's get it because he's been on the news lately. Our boy is not a he's been talking about. He needs the nickname. You know, I say he does the ending. He's when he was playing. He didn't have a nickname. That's yeah. Something. He returned so many like touchdowns or something like that. I think he goes he has the name for himself. He does strike me as a type of guy who would give himself a nickname. Something to do with pick six or something, you know. Yeah. Oh, you jump man. That's how I know. Let's look it up on. Well, we didn't come up with one is something with salty in it or something, you know, salty caramel. I mean, you could call him butter fingers. No, because that's just bringing a painful memory. I want to give it all some about it now. You know, it's hot. Hurt. You know, he's clearly a salted butter. How's that any close to a Sante Samuel? Okay. See, this is where we need Greg. This is where Greg shines. Yeah, Greg does shine right here. He does. He's really strong. So he's just not we needed that and he would have loved the state. Yeah, I mean, he can eat dinner on the pot. He's done it a thousand times before. He does it. He does it every time. I don't know why tonight's different because the family is in laws are there. If anything, they can watch the baby. Right. Exactly. His Twitter is pick six 22. So yeah, I don't remember him having an adorable amount of pick sixes though. He was kind of feast. Oh, he had a few. Yeah. He does have a few. Not in this game. Salty Samuel. Salty Samuel. That's not bad. Salty Samuel. I like it. It is very salty. Yeah, he's super salty. Yeah. He basically from the get go, they're called got the ball first, I believe, is very. Yeah. And drove immediately down the field because the first pass of the game was a 48 yard pass over Salty Samuel. So that's how the game started. Who's he matched up with? It's the matter. I don't know. Both. I believe both wide receivers in this game for the Colts win over 100 yards. Let's see. Yeah. Marvin Harrison nine catches 120 yards. One touchdown, Redger Wayne nine catches on a 24 yard, someone touchdown. That's really. Yeah. That was it. They still can take a while. Yeah. They got assaulted. It was painful to watch. I put it on last week with my dad and my dad was like, his best. Why are you doing this to me? This is the first game I've turned off after the last cold touch. I just like, I don't need to watching. Oh, I'm going to do it. Are you first and then? Would you say safe? These are the first minutes of the Patriots. I see you have not watched. No, I think there was one game after Keir was born that you guys did, but I didn't watch the game. Oh, yeah. I mean, Greg did a role reversal here. I don't know what game it was. I remember giving you a bunch of shit about it. Yeah. It's Kansas City, something earlier. I remember in 2002, maybe. What were you saying, Tim? What did I miss? So did you see at the end when they remember a couple of games ago, they were talking about Brady and he was like, the weirdest thing that a fan ever asked me for. It was like one of those like kind of cuts. Did you see this one with Peyton? No. He said the weirdest thing that a fan's ever asked me to do was autograph his name into their back hair. What is that? Yeah, I really wish that you'd saw it and clip it because the whole thing was ridiculous. It was not. I am confused by like how like with a razor? Yeah. The guy wanted it like it showed the graphic of a man with a hairy back and then like it didn't say whether because you know, Al Michaels and John Mater and going back and forth and they're like, he's like, I want to know if he did actually do it. And then he had a couple of, what was it? They said like what's his favorite impression? And he was like Elvis Presley and then did an Elvis Presley impression and it was terrible. I was like, this is why I hated Peyton back then. Like I like him now. I respect him, but I was like, holy shit. It was painful. Yeah. It's like, yeah, this is exactly why I hated you. See, this is what happens when I turn off the ball game. I miss the best part. I was hoping that you thought through it. I like that that autograph is going to last for like a couple of days. If you're a hairy back guy, not if you keep up with it. Although how are you going to ask some of the games? Yeah, someone else can up with it. That's why I'm up. Hey, Han, can you can you trim my Peyton autograph again? I can't lose this. I got to find a way to make money off of this. The internet, the internet thinks I'm cool. Well, you could get like a laser hair removal just in that spot too, right? Now that he's done it. Well, that might just do it. Just go to laser hair removal and say make Peyton Menning syndrome a back. Right. Well, that's basically what I'm doing. You don't even need his permission. You can find that on the internet. That's fair. Yeah. But yeah, that was that was like the out of all the low lights that were this game that was like the highlight and I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. But I don't know what Tim's best is. He's gaining confidence in the presentation. That's the end is worse. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, this is like I remember this game in the moment like this is like one of the only games from 2005. I remember. Yeah, because it's so painful because I remember after the second drive, I could go and I'm like, yeah, maybe they have a chance because that's how I always am. And then after the second drive, the Colts scored back to back touchdown. I'm like, oh, fuck no. Because the Patriots were touching on their first drive, but then they punted they went three and out and the Colts immediately scored another touchdown. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. And the touchdowns that the Colts scored, like I remember it was either, it's either like the second or third touchdown, like it was kind of sketchy whether they had scored and I remember watching that as a kid and being like, there's no way. There's no way he got it. No way. I was just being such a homer back then. I don't know if I just didn't want to see him move. Yeah. I think it was a Reggie Wayne one where it looked like he was boblin at going out of bounds. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it didn't matter. Because actually you go the other way too with the Troy Brown touchdown catch looked in on replay that it could have been overturned because in typical Patriots fashion Brady did come out with like a couple of, hey, I'm going to take this game back over drives. But they were just down so much. It didn't matter. And the pages, you know, they, this is one of those games where they tried a bunch of things that often work and Belichick gets lauded for or Brady gets lauded for, you know, whatever. But they were just out there was no way that the Patriots could have won this game no matter how the ball bounce. I don't think, but they did try a surprise on size kick after a score and when they're touched ends to make it. Oh, is it? Did they make it? All right. I would make it twenty eight fourteen when it was still like relatively close. They tried on sides. Surprise on size kicks. See if they get the ball back because the defense was gassed at this point. This is like in the third quarter and the demons have been out there for so long. But I think they get it back. See if, yeah, but then they turn it over on downs. They went for it on fourth down and nothing was worth it. Randy, exact same for them. I'm sure it's something most from Belichick that our defense can't stop shit. Exactly. Surprise on side kick going for it on fourth down in third quarter. He knew that was by the game right there. He scored there is twenty one twenty eight. Maybe he gets the defense. Momentum defense gets some rest. But I mean this defense like this is not anything I think you can do with it. Who was it? Who do they have doing? Stars got bench in this game. So they moved Randall gave from safety to cornerback and they brought in some guy named Mike Stone at safety. He was laying some dudes out like he's a hard hitter. I do remember that a few times I was like the dude is looking to take one's head off. Yeah, not too often I hear people's names. I have no fucking clue where they are. That's a fun one. Yeah, same. Like I've usually if you tell me and I'm like I recognize the name at least. I think he only played the season. Yeah, he played in probably played in thirteen games but it started three of them. I'm guessing next week is one of them. Did I write this is the best year he's ever had. Forty tackles and two tackles for loss. And that is hit. Get him on the pod. That's a Stalin. I think I've looked for him. I can't find him. And that those forty tackles are more than he has in the rest of his career combined in the three years before there is only anybody who's willing to come on this pod and talk about 2005 pages games. Mike Stone Michael Stone. Thank you very much. I had pretty high draft. I drowned it drafted in by the Cardinals in the second round fifty fourth. You have that. Didn't do much I don't think. Said some things out apparently. Yeah, made one tackle is his freshman is rookie year. Seven tackles and then fourteen before it come to the pass and making forty tackles. But if you have somebody like Mike Stone making forty tackles like. Yeah, what do you do is yeah, what do you do as a defensive coordinator? Like you just don't have the guys and you can see that with the calls like they were just able to do whatever the fuck they wanted. It was tough. Definitely a week where you could definitely have used the Rodney Harrison. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, even I think this is for able Wilfork's second year in the league. And he was out there a ton. So you're just seeing like a bunch of guys because see Richard Seymour is injured right now too. So right defensive line. Not getting a lot of pressure. Huh? Isn't this year two for a saunty as well? I believe so. No, I think this is year three. I'm sure he was there in 2003. No excuses. Correct. Yeah. This is his third year. I mean for a salt a saute. Yeah, I'll be Samuel. A salty Samuel. That's we nailed it a salty Samuel. That's it. We got a shark. You know, if we want this nickname stick, we started got we had a really good bit. How about a saute Samuel because he's been getting caught. Oh, he has been getting kicked. So now, but now he's he used to be a saute Samuel. Now he's a sump. A salt a Samuel. That's the answer. A salt base. Or a salty Samuel, a salty Samuel. Salty. Yeah. So after giving him all those props, he's actually scored six pick sixes in his career. I say only that seems that's a decent amount, but it's not like. Yeah, far and away outstanding. I mean, how many did Jack Jones have to last year? Yeah, or three. How many said he Bruce Gaff in comparison? Let's see. Like seven exceptions for. Oh, I just remember is that one where he's like dragging his legs against the dolphin. Oh, yeah. That's what I remember. I apologize. I hate that. But yeah, so it's not the same. So far in his career as two picks in his rookie year, one in 2004 and three in 2005 before going off in 2006 for 10. And then plays one more year in the past six interceptions and then goes to Philly for a bunch of years as decent numbers. The other one the cats are Philly. Let's see. No one remembers him at Philly. Five years with the past four years, Philly, one year in Atlanta at the end of his career where he starts 10 games in Atlanta has one interception. Nice. Even though Patrick Chong less for damn sure. That is for damn sure. Yeah, so he always arguing about how he, you know, turner was the name of the game. So you know, if you give up touchdowns, but you get a bunch of interceptions that kind of balances it out. No shit, I'll check into the line. Yeah, I just work in this game. I'm pretty sure. Let's see. So yeah, he's clean on that first play and then was beat on the jump ball for the touchdown to end that drive. And then drops an interception in the end zone that was on the ground by Manning, which then the drive results in the touchdown. And then the last touchdown, the cold score to put this game away and score 40 points on the Patriots at home for only the one to from from the sixth time in the 20 years of the paths. He gets like just straight up cooked on a double move by I believe it's Harrison where he I don't know what he's looking at or what he's biting on because there's like a slant and go and the saunty just completely commits to the slant. By the time Harrison catches, he's got like five yards of space. It's just not close. It's embarrassing. Almost it kind of similar to that Brian Center and. Yeah. And I believe we talked about how whatever the game was after Atlanta. Panthers maybe where. Yeah, we're they were talking about they had like plays that they put in for the Patriots called Atlanta because they saw that and how jumpy he was on thing. They're just like just double move the guy all day and they didn't he's got torn up again. So that's the defense. And then on offense, you have no running backs. The running back you have is like three quarters of core Dylan who starts the game even though he's got a bad angle still started off. Okay. So that's the first place in the running and passing game. But the only other running back on this team that isn't injured is my cloud who they signed off the street. So it's your boy Steve Brown, my cloud love that guy. Not so much in 2005. I don't think though. I love transcends years, Andy. He had one carry for negative five yards in this game. So one carry that's it. That's I mean, what do you want from the guy? To average zero yards positive yards would be nice. One carry. Come on. That's one carry for negative five yards is not the running backs fault. That's a blown blocking assignment. That's a good to hand up and immediately get tackled. So he plays in six games this year. Steve, how many yards do you think totally hands rushing? 42. I thought you were a fan. Yes. It's 59 yards. It's almost 10. Oh, they've only got 10 more. Very cool. So, yeah, so there's no running game. Why do you see there? Not beat up, but just not it's not the same because oh, you're also missing a left tackle. Right? Who are they starting that left tackle in this game? Somebody not a rookie left tackle. Who was it? Come on, give me a start. Left tackle was Nick Kager. Oh, yeah. I thought he was a guard. Not in this game. He's even for Matt like, I'm like a hurt and he's going up against the likes of, you know, the Dwight Frini and who's the other guy on the other end? Oh, Reheber after. Oh, is this a math this game? Maybe it is. I think they talked about him. Yeah. Right. It just has Reheem Brock as a starter. But yeah, no, I think you're right that. Yeah, math is also in here too. Let's see, math has had a force fumble attack over loss and five tools that want to sack. Reheem Brock has a sack. Dwight Frini was actually kept in check for the most part. They were chipping them a lot. Yeah. A lot of notice paid to him, which I think gave the other two guys on the other side. Matt has some Brock, a bit more breathing room and they made it tougher. Tom Brady, who's still actually Brady, it did all right in this game. All things. Well, what was the stat line? Let's see. 25 of 40, 285, three touchdowns, no picks. 25 40 is a lot of dropbacks. I mean, that's from the ball. Yeah, they ran at 14 times for 34 yards and they're also down big pretty early. So there's like date, I think, end of the third quarter beginning of the fourth when they came out in no-huddle. Like hurry up, just like already. I think that made it in the third quarter. Did you see the last touchdown? Cold sport. Yeah. They went for two. Yeah. I was paying. Did you get it? No. But it's five minutes to five minutes on the fourth quarter, dude. There's five minutes left on the fourth quarter, Steve. Come on now. Nope. You can't even map that. 2007 were absolutely pouring. The Redskins game? Yeah, no, that was overkill for sure. But like, oh, yeah, I was there. Let's say about this. The other thing about it's 40 to 21. So how does that math work? You're up 19. So you're up three scores. If you go for one or two, you still have three scores. It doesn't really make any sense unless you're going up 21. And you think the pace to score three touchdowns in five and a half minutes? Six minutes? Look, Bello Check wasn't mad about it. No, that's true. Do we know that? If you don't want them to get it, stop them, which they did. Which they did. And then do that. Yeah. Boom. Done. Yep. Okay, look back. Same thing with like bat flipping in the MLB. Shut the fuck up. If you don't want to flip a bat, don't give up a home run. That's fair. There's too much parole clutching. Same golf golf is even. Bob is the worst. Golf is the worst from paraclatching. Same. Much parole clutching. It's so bad. Did you ever see this video? Andy, you actually love this video. Justin Thomas calling his ball faggot. Oh, yeah. I'm like caught with a hot mic on like a golf course. Oops. Yellow net is golf ball con the faggot. Oh, geez. Andy, I think that's a good transition for the Tony Dungy thing you got down here. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah. Speak. Okay. I'm intrigued. I'm with Tony. I'm proud. Yeah. Speaking of homophobia, let's touch on the head coach, Tony Dungy. This is going to be the deep dive I want to Greg to do. But since he's not here, I'll kind of touch some of the stuff. Hold on. Justin Thomas is a homophobia. I don't think he thinks his ball loves other male balls. He's just misused a word there. But go on. Yeah. Good job. Clear in the record, Steve. I know literally not like about the situation. So I'm not going to add anything. So let's talk about Tony Dungy. He was an NFL player before coach. He's in fact the most recent NFL player to intercept a pass and throw an interception in the same game. Good for him. Apparently he was the emergency quarterback for the Steelers in 1977 against the Oilers when both Terry Bradshaw and Mike Cruz check went down with injuries. So he's a third string quarterback, which that tracks with the self-importance. Let's see. This year, 2005, in December, he was notified that his eldest son James Dungy was found unresponsive in his apartment in Lutz, Florida by James' girlfriend. Turns out that James Dungy had committed suicide by hanging. He hung himself for a bedroom ceiling fan with a leather belt. I look for stories and stuff about this and there's nothing. There's no explanation of what was going on beforehand and anything that you would find like, oh, no, he seemed fine. The person who ran the gas station across the street was like, no, he talked to me yesterday. He was in a great mood and all this stuff. So there's really just like nobody can come over the reasons to why that happened. Are you applying like an Epstein sort of thing? No, I have no idea. I was just hoping that I could figure out some information about why this happened. Was there something going on at home? What year was it? 2005, December, 2005. Yeah, you think the media would be covering that a little bit? Yeah, well, they covered it initially, but I couldn't find anything like after the initial, like, hey, this happened. This is what they found. Tony Dungy is a coach. He took the next game off to one loss of his son and the assistant coach that you may know, Jim Caldwell took over for Dungy in week 16. Did he talk to the Lions? Yeah, in which the Colts lost that game. But he did return for the next game, which it calls 117, 13 over the Cardinals. And then they called dedicated the last two games of the season to James Dungy when Tony Dungy turned to sideline. Let's see. The only thing that I could find was two months before his death, James Dungy had also been treated for a prescription drug overdose on October 21st, 2005. So there's some stuff, but more recently, Tony Dungy has been in the news because he's very outspoken about his Christianity, but not in like a, hey, let's be nice to everybody's what are Christianity. This is the kind of, hey, let's hate people and blame my Christianity for it. Him and of all people, James Brown, the, what is the NBC analyst, I think, or CBS? Like a long time guy. The two of them are big fans of some huge anti gay evangelists in the United States. It was named Andrew Womack, apparently. It was a quite being gay to murder among other many other statements. And these two, Tony Dungy and James Brown, both like to speak at his things that he does. So I mean, I think they like to speak at the things he does, like speaker events or conferences. That's what I'm asking. Yeah. Basically, it's about, right? Let's see. Womack's anti gay stance is not subtle in 2021. You declare that being gay is so detrimental to people's lives. Quote, we ought to put a label across our forehead. This could be hazardous to your health. He added that homosexuality is worse with someone's health than smoking cigarettes. Honestly, that's not, that's not false, especially if you live in like Africa, where it's punishable by death. I mean, I don't know. I don't think that's what he's saying. I don't think that they say that, what, one cigarette takes 11 minutes off your life. I don't think you just like being gay will take 11 and talk to life. Yeah. But. So much. And both Brown and Dungy have praised Womack. Dungy said, I enjoy ministering with Andrew with Brown calling him a leader. Womack has called Brown his good friend and Brown has publicly appeared with Womack beyond his annual event. But also, you know, Dungy has said other things like on his own as opposed to justice. He said, I remember Michael Sam, the first like openly gay players in the draft. He said he wouldn't want gay player Michael Sam on his team because he wouldn't want the you know, media circus that would come along with it. Like, all right, bro, you coach paid manning and Mike Vanner. Yeah, for that matter. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm coach Tim Kubo. That was as media circus as he has against. What was the thing that he said about Michael Vick? Like, if he had just spent like five minutes with me in a boat or something like that, he never would have killed all of the dogs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He said he wouldn't want a player Michael Sam on his team despite advocating for federally convicted dog murder. Michael Vick, let's say, what did it say? I don't remember that. So he was saying if only he had been able to talk to Mike Vick, he would have. Yeah. He's here to away from all his childhood friends who are dog fighting. That's what he said. And the other thing I asked him was where the Lord was all this. We talked about him growing up and having that side, that Christian background, but really getting to the NFL and feeling like he was his own guy. Someone in the course of all this, he realized that he had left that spiritual side. No, I thought it. Um, he loved it. Either way, Tony Dungy, spiritual healer. Got it. Yeah. Guy saved lives. Yeah. Except his sons. Wow. Oh, I mean, so Tony, Tony Dungy said he would welcome Ray Rice on his team. The way that, but not that media circus, right? Would accompany that. Yeah. That makes sense. Well, the real question is if you're welcome Ray Rice, Tim Tebow, because Tim Tebow comes with like a, like a 50% media entourage everywhere. Oh, he was 100% one on there. You would be all about that. So, you know, yeah. Yeah. So basically the idea was, um, uh, Dungy said he didn't want Michael Samma's team because his late, his excuse was, uh, it was all about the media distraction that followed Sam blaming Oprah Winfrey's docu series that was following Michael Sam. This of course was just a couple of years after supporting Michael Victor turn the NFL after he was being followed for a docu series. Oh, man of the year, Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy. Um, was he like the Walter Payton man of the year at all? No, I think it's a players one that right. Yeah. Yeah, but he's definitely been kind of, uh, whitewashed, like since he's now that he's like a commentator and stuff like, I'm not white, Tony Dungy, night guy, nice guy. He does have like a nice demeanor about him, but clearly he's, uh, one of those that are like smiling your face and, uh, on your back. For sure. You should be great for sure. Do you think Peyton Manning has any stories about him? Oh, yeah. Think so. For sure. I bet he does. That's the, that's the, that's part about bell check though. Like I feel like bell check kind of is himself and there's no like different bill bell check that that's what you hear from all the, the players. He's like, he's basically who you see. He's just funnier. Right. Yeah. And he's, he's a, a player's coach. Just nobody believes that. So I don't know if I believe it either. I do. I can see him being funny. I'm funny. Andy, you didn't know me that. I mean, absolutely positive that bell check is hilarious. Yeah. I bet he said that he was just saying how funny he is. Like, it's one of like dry since he was though you got to be like, Oh, yeah. You might be a little British in him. Exactly. Yeah. That's what that's what it feels like a British sense of humor absurd stuff said was just like a straight face. Like, what the fuck did you just say? Um, yeah, I do just want to make a point. If we can, I do want to go over your guys's fantasy standings at some point. Oh, yeah. I'm not being trusted and update on that actually. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if there's anything else worth talking about in this game. Oh, there's one thing. Um, couple of things. Sorry. Uh, the one thing that I caught from this game was how, um, there was questions about who was calling the offensive plays in this game and this whole season because the Patriots have not and Bill Belichick has not named an offensive coordinator. Right now they just have Josh McDaniel's in that role, but he doesn't have you. It's an official title, which sounds very familiar to the last couple of seasons where Boston sports media is losing their fucking minds about it. Um, I will say it works out, uh, from here on out, um, because this season really doesn't fall apart because of the offense. It's the fact that they just don't have a defensive secondary other than just like street free agents at this point. They didn't last you either for 04 was just. Ever. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, they just had really bad luck. And I feel like that when the, uh, injury bug bites them, it's usually there. It feels like that there and like the offensive line, those are the two places where when the Patriots struggle in a year, those the two spots that just get hammered and that's why they struggle. Um, like even what was the year where Manning and the, um, Broncos beat the Patriots in the playoffs? What year was that? The twenty, twenty, thirteen, something like that. Yeah. But they want to see how it's. Yeah. Where everybody kind of fell apart at the end there, like that whole team ravaged by injuries. Um, yeah, we're throwing a map. He's later in the playoffs. Right. Yes. And they still are like in it, but yeah, they were not in this game. Um, I did want to say that, uh, they were the one other piece of news that, uh, was from the NFL, but not this game was, um, Terrell Owens had just gotten suspended. Oh, yes. Uh, I don't remember this. Like I kind of like vaguely remember him like holding the press conference in his driveway and stuff. I think that was part of this. Oh, yeah. Don't know. But yeah, but I didn't remember like where that came from. And I believe it was because basically the Patriots ruined this Eagles team. Um, and poison Terrell Owens so badly against the team, um, that he's imploding it from the inside out. Um, because, uh, apparently this started where in, in that like after that Super Bowl where, um, bad blood between Owens and McNabb began after Owens went down with a severely sprained angle and broken leg in week 15 against Dallas that year. Um, Owens was upset that McNabb and the other players said the Eagles could reach Super Bowl without him, which they did. Um, and of course he played in the Super Bowl, even though he shouldn't have cause he came back like six weeks from a broken ankle and still put up, um, yeah, he numbers. Yeah. Again, so Dante, uh, but soon after the Philadelphia, soon after I've lost the Patriots in that game, Oh, it's like his first shot at McNabb suggesting the five time promo quarterback was tired in the fourth quarter of the loss, which, you know, tired. Is he coming with him? What's that? What are you saying? Uh, McNabb apparently responded harshly and the two didn't speak for a prolonged period in training camp. They eventually reconciled the relationship and performed well together in the field. Owens had 47 catches for 763 out of the six touchdowns this season. However, Owens continued to throw a verbal jazzy at McNabb during his weekly radio show or whenever he granted interviews. So all this came to a head apparently, uh, this week of this game, uh, Owens was suspended Saturday, two days after he said Eagles showed a quote, lack of class for not publicly recognizing his hundredth career touchdown catching a game on October 23rd. Yeah. And the same interview with the SPL comment there is a, Oh, and said the Eagles would be better off with the green base Brett Fiverr quarterback instead of Dunnebung's. Yeah. Oh, it was also involved in a fight last week with former Eagles defensive and Hugh Douglas, who remains with the team as its ambassador. Oh, and apologize for the comments about the organization in a brief statement on Friday, but he did not apologize to McNabb or the team. So they have suspended him. Uh, are they suspended for like four games? I think whatever they could. Um, ah, what was it? Uh, they basically suspended him for like a couple of games and then, uh, told him not to come back for the rest, like deactivated. So they still have to pay him after the suspension, but they're just like, we're going to pay you to sit at home. And that's one of Greg's wide receivers. Oh, yeah. That's Greg's deep. That's the word. It's going to be able to hit us with an update on the fantasy ring because I'm very interested in this. Yeah. All right. So I didn't get to touch on it the week that, uh, so we started on week six, week seven. Um, we had Andy finishing with 71 points, Greg finishing with 88 points and Steve, you finished with 75.8, um, week eight. I brought things freaking me out. Um, uh, Andy, you finished with a hundred and 29.7 points. I had a, yeah, you had a big week, uh, Big Ben had 19, Lydanian had 12, Steve Smith had 37 points and Antonio Gates had 42.5 points. Oh, wow. Greg finished with 53 that week as he had beaten out Sean Alexander out and Reggie Wayne out and bander jerk out. Whoops. And then Steve did even worse at 37.5 as, uh, Michael victim play Marvin Harrison to play, uh, Dallas Clark didn't play, um, and then week nine. That's right. Right now, uh, Andy finished with 92.8 as he got 42.3 points out of L T 21 out of Steve Smith, 21 and 20. Oh, Gates, you had three players in play. Yeah. Big Ben out, uh, the top of the top line and Jason, you know, I'm not playing. Uh, Greg finished with 118. He got 34 out of Peyton 29 out of Sean Alexander, 27 out of Reggie Wayne, uh, and Stevie finished with 89. Uh, you had 21 out of Vic 33 out of Marvin Harrison. Um, so right now the standings go Andy, you are in first place right now. 347.4 points. Greg's got three 46.2. Oh, Steve, you're at a two 78.6. Oh, what? That's. Man, I was worried there for the first couple. And the problem is that coming back. I, I think, uh, I think pre this is when priest homes went down with an injury. Oh, I was asking if you guys wanted to have an injury replaced when you guys said no. So looking, not looking so great right now. Sticks. Right. I am looking great. So that's all that really matters. Yeah, that's true. You are. Look back right now. So that's definitely the floor. I got a quick hair right now. It looks like I'm just got that male pattern baldness going on. It would like you're purposely trying to like cut your hair like that. If I just put my head back a little bit, like it looks like I'm fucking bald. Yeah. It's a look. Have you ever shaved it all off? No, I would be a very, very ugly bald man. Why do you say that? I'm going to have a very ugly hairy man. So not much of a change, but I feel like you should go with the, uh, the Friar tuck that I could probably see here. What is the Friar tuck? Uh, we just kind of shave the top, but leave like the ring of hair on the sides. I can't do that. Andy, where the fuck would I do that? I don't like your just leave it here. It's just, it's just like a strip right here. And then it like goes down the back. I have that right now. That's the male pattern. I'm just going to wear that. Don't because it's like you're half committed. Yeah, you got to get the top gone. Yeah. You got to get the Larry David. You can't even see the top. You know, you know, a little swirl at the back of your head. That's, that's where your forehead has to start. That's what it looks like right now. I know. So I'm saying it's great, but it's not what it is. You should rock that. No, I'm not going to shave. I'm not going to shave in male pattern baldness. No, was my wife. My wife. I fucking go tea for fucking 40 years. My worst is Steve Brown. Not committing to the bit. You mean, we're just back here to work today. Yeah. That's no half. There. That's no half beard. So wait, do we figure out what the punishment was? I know that Andy's was going to go tea, but do we have something for you guys? I don't know if we ever came to a conclusion on that. I don't know that we did. Not. Well, we now have one for Steve. He's got to do the Friar Tuck. No, I ain't doing a Friar Tuck. I have a big speed. I can't do that. I can't do that. I don't know. You're not that big a swing and dick. You have to go into the office, Steve? Yeah, all the time. What is it? We got all dumb stuff. All right. Well, you, you, I don't think there's one for Greg either. No, the only one that we can talk. That's a pressure. Yeah. Well, how about this? If you have any ideas, you can text the dynasty hotline with ideas for punishments for Steve and Greg or me as well, if you want. If you have something more creative than shaving my beard. The number is 603-505-8043. Right, Steve Brown? Yeah, I totally forgot it, but there you go. How do you remember 603-505-SOS? Troy Brown, the three. Or Troy Brown, Vinditary, Gaskowski, if that's what you want to do it. I realize that the other day. OK. Yeah. That's all right. That's literally how I remember all the numbers in my life is by tracing numbers of people. That is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That's a little insight into Andy's mind that I don't care to peel back. Yeah. No, I wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to leave that as it is. I would. Yeah. Yeah. Put a baton on that. No words. Go on. Yeah. We'll leave that. There's dope slick back haircut. If I have an haircut, I just slicked it back. Yeah. No, we know. We've heard. And nauseam. Mm-hmm. And you're worse. Can't do it every day because then people think I'm weird. That's your worst. That's why they think you're weird. We're talking about what we haven't met you before. I probably could rock this every day. I think it would fit. It fits your personality. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then like no one's going to fuck with me because I could headbutt the next Tuesday, you know? That's probably true. Yeah. You hit that first person that sends a message, man. Because anybody who's crazy enough to headbutt is fucking not somebody you want to fuck with. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Tim, do you have any real best and worst? Uh, no. Best and worst. It's painful. And it's all this impression. Both. Yeah. So that was my worst, but my best is probably getting to see Doug Flute coming at the end of the game. Oh, yeah. He came in for the last drive. I love the Flutey signing. Yeah. And he was getting fired up too, which is pretty funny. He was like, yeah, he was talking shit for the rap. And then you can see McDane, it was kind of like, dude, like what are you doing at the end? Which I thought was like, all right, still taking a serious in a blow. I love that. I guess. Is there anybody more? Uh, kind of like universally beloved in the NFL than Doug Flutey. Anybody on that level? Like right now, maybe. It's in the league right now. Yeah. Or just like even just generally. Right. Fuckin everybody loves Doug Flute. Everybody loves Doug Flute. Nobody's like, yeah, Doug Flute, that guy's an asshole or that guy sucks. Like nobody's like that. Bills fans love him. Patience fans love him. Yeah. He played for a lot of teams too. Yeah. Exactly. I watched a football life in Saint. He was so nasty in Canada. I had no idea. Oh, yeah. He was like, he was the Tom Brady of Canadian football basically. Yeah. Just absolutely so good. He was great at BC. Had that like Hail Mary touch. Yeah. Like he's just very to. I know his most beloved player. Matthew Slater might be up there. I don't think people know him well enough. Yeah. There's a guy that has his general football fan life. He's like the players, like the players, maybe not the fans, but. Yeah, possibly. But I think that just the fact that it was like a five eight football player who like was a scrambling quarterback and just like running for his life all the time and still being successful at it. I don't know that you're going to see what kind of problem. I don't even know why he showed up. I showed up because I'd say I don't see that had to have my hair and her slip back. I probably would have been on the podcast. I couldn't deprive you guys of this. I do appreciate it, dude. It is very creepy when you get put up on the zoom and I can only see you and you're doing that eyebrow thing. Oh, yeah. I've got the camera. I just like cut the camera. Let's see if I can. Oh, God. I've got the gallery. I'm going to send a picture of what I think Steve looks like an actor that he looks like and I think you guys like it. Oh, boy. Yeah. I shouldn't be the people from Mars attacks that movie. I'm no, no, no, that is a good one. That's not bad. You do look like you're starting to become part of the cone heads, though. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. A cone head. You can see my forehead has like has like ridges in it. You know, like right here. It looks good. It's a solid forehead, dude. People don't talk about that enough. They don't do that. Oh, well, you're looking for that. Let me do some best and worst. All right. Let's see. My best is. Oh, I had some football, not football before we do that. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. It was from the intro to the game. They had Dennis Quaid on doing some. Did you watch this, Tim? The actually it was an insane rant about this game. Oh, I vaguely remember this. Yeah. It was about Peyton Manning getting over the hump and I lost count of how many times he actually said the word hump in his intro. But there are two quotes that I then I came off with was that home will ride you and ride you until you're John. That Dennis Quaid with like, like Steve Rant's crazy eyes. And then later on, he said humps. They aren't easy. You get no, they are not. Humps are hard. Oh, all right. I'd say he's a less good looking verdict wherever this person is. Yeah, he's he's not on a bunch of stuff. He usually plays a bad guy, but what's his name? It is Peter Stormair. Peter Stormair. Okay. Yeah. He was in Fargo and he was in prison break. That's what I know. Oh, yeah. Prison break. Yeah. My only thing is like, I have these power alleys here, you know, like it goes back. Okay. But that's an older picture of him or it will go back 20 years. You know, oh boy. Yeah, you got a dominant dominant line right there, Steve. Steve, let it go. Let's see. My best is it's not going to be turning the game off. Although that was good. A great decision by me. Apparently it wasn't. My best is the fact that this season, the Colts played five preseason games because their first game was the American Bowl that was played in Tokyo, Japan, which apparently was a thing that happened from 80, 60, 2005, where I think they were trying to like grow the league and other countries and stuff, but then I think nobody does. But they have the whole game. Huh? Does it have the whole same game? I'm not sure. We'd have to just check that. But it ended in 2005. So this was the last year of it because I think it just didn't get enough. Like it wasn't worth it enough. And I believe good El took over in 2006 and just like scrappy like, no, I'm not doing this. Colts played in five preseason games and lost every single one of them, including their last one at the Bengals where they lost 38 nothing. Wow. Yeah, they did have the whole same game. So they still have the only. Yeah. But I never even knew that the American Bowl. Look at them. So that was your best in Japan. When the preseason Andy, come on. Yeah, we'll go with that. And also the fact that they were the first team to lose their opening playoff game after winning 13th, starting the season 13th straight. Let's see what else we got. My worst is Tony Dungy being a person. Because fuck that guy. Oh, here's another good worst. I pulled out some quotes like when we were starting the season about Teddy Bruski because this is the time he came back and in true Boston sports fashion. This is from the dynasty by Jeff Benedict in true Boston sports fashion. Quote, newspaper columnist, a pine that Bruce used being selfish and having a hard time walking away from fame. Boston's leading sports radio talk show host called the situation life threatening and ESPN's Tom Jackson wondered aloud how people would react if quote, we're watching some Sunday afternoon and something happens to Teddy Bruski on the field. You tell me how the league and the page are going to feel the moment that happens for shadowing, right? 20 years later. Yeah, a lot of people coming out here talking about, you know, Teddy Bruski being selfish for coming back and playing football, even though behind the scenes he's being told. Yeah, no, there's nothing could possibly happen on a football field that would make this happen again. This is just a hole in your heart. This never fixed. I know you think I can't read, but that was a good book. Yeah, it was a good book. Yeah, highly recommend it. Also after Bruski's first game back, apparently from the same book in the locker room after Bell check did something out of character. He said, I'm going to break this one down. He said, let's go everybody up. And so the players haul around him the way they normally would around Bruce G after a game. He said, I want to know how we feel about having Teddy Bruski back Bell check said and you know the response. Oh, yeah. And then he bell checked through his arm for Bruski. So tell me he's not a players coach. Tell me. I'm not saying this Steve. Steve, I am pro bell check. Come on. I'm here in a Greg isn't here. Jessica's great. I'm here doesn't mean I'm full. You're in a Greg and I don't think he's a players coach. So salty Samuel doesn't think he's a players coach. That's true. That's also true. That's because he didn't ask. I want to know how we feel about having a Sunday's annual back. Yes, because no, because it's all the same you'll gamble too much on defense. That's not how fucking bell check plays defense. That's right. You don't gamble. You may have a man over it and he was breaking us especially this year. Yeah. He's given up a lot. We're going to I think we'll have to total it up at the end of this season and see how many touchdowns he let up compared to. Yeah, what are the more fixed six gambling or more long touchdowns? I find long for touchdowns and I'll tell you. I can already I think picture three jump ball touchdowns, which aren't long touchdowns, but they're just like, I feel like once he should break up, like that's pretty easy to like not lose your man and cover, you know, no. Yeah, the last one was a 30 yard touchdown pass. Is that can't see the first one was a jump ball, but from the one yard line, but it was set up by a 48 yard gain over him. I can't sure. Why not? All right, we're going to count them. Fuck us salty. Fuck us. Fuck. Yeah. I feel my worst is Jim Caldwell's stare. How about that? It is great, Andy. There at least mine was about the game, Steve. I'm not my fucking haircut. Well, I didn't watch the game, Andy's and needed it to you all the way through. I watch more of his interviews. We're watching the games. That's right. Yeah, somebody's got it. It's sure. They're only going to be Steve or Greg. Fuck now. I want back. I had my hand. I'm sure. I'm not happy about it though. No, what do we have next week? Steve, who's fine next week? Focofano. Yeah, sure. Okay. They are headed to Miami to play the Dolphins, Coach Bye. Steve wants that. No, no, no, I got it. I got it next, even. Yes. Bella check disciple. Next, even. The college bill, Bella check, next, even dipping his toes into the NFL and a place where the Patriots don't ever win. So we'll have to see how that goes because right now the Patriots have alternated wins and losses the entire season. So we'll see if that happens again next week. On the Patriots, as he podcast. Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch, Greg, on the Patriots, as the podcast. See ya. Yeah.